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Thursday, 8 May 2014

Chester (Have You Heard About Harry) lyrics & videos

Posted on 05:44 by mukhiya
Edited by Azizi Powell

This post showcases examples of children's song "Chester" (Have You Heard About Harry").

The content of this post are presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks also to all those featured in these examples. And thanks to the sound file and video producers and publishers of these examples on YouTube.

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FEATURED EXAMPLES AND LYRICS

Example 1:
From http://www.songsforscouts.com/Songs/Chester/
Lyrics
Chester, have you heard about Harry? (pat chest, point, tug earlobe, pat head)

He just got back from the Army. (thumb back, pat back, pat arm, pat chest)

I hear he knows how to wear a rose, (point to eye, tug earlobe, thumb back, touch nose, tuck an imaginary rose in your lapel)

Hip, hip! Hooray for the Army! (slap left hip, slap right hip, raise fist to the sky, pat arm, pat chest)
-snip-
A number of examples of this song indicate that it is sung to the tune "Yankee Doodle". Some examples indicate that the song gets faster each time you sing it. I've read one example of this song that indicates that instead of doing each of the movements when you sing the entire song, you sing the first verse without any movements, and add one movement each time you sing it. Others you do each indicated body movement for the word that is sung like it.

My children learned this song from their summer camp in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the early 1980s. They also performed the same motions. They did the same motions but said "wear clothes" instead of "wear a rose". I don't remember the renditions getting faster.

Some examples of this song indicate that the song is sung over and over again with one motion added each time. However, I think that the attendees at my children's camp did all of the motions with each rendition of the song. Also, the tune that they learned at camp wasn't as "Yankee Doodle". The tune they used was considerably slower and was somewhat like the tune for "Playmate" (come out and play with me).

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Example #2: Chester



nannakelzee, Uploaded on Oct 5, 2010

Oh, Chester have you heard about Harry
Just got back from the army
I heard he knows how to wear his clothes
Hip, hip hurray for the army.
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Here's another example from this video's discussion forum:

BrookeRiverStream, 2012
There's another part Chester have u heard about Harry just got back from the army he needs to learn to face defeat hip hip horrah for the army...
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Here's another example of that same version:
From http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/troop43/Songs.html Girl Scout Songs

Chester
(Touch each body part named in the song)

Oh, Chester, have you heard about Harry?
He just got back from the army.
You need not know he faced defeat.
Hip, hip hooray for the army.

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Example #3: Eva singing



carjogo, Uploaded on May 12, 2010

Chester, have you heard about Harry? He just got back from the army...
Cute song Eva learned at pre-school.
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Lyrics:

Chester have you heard about Harry
He just got back from the army
He says he knows how to wear his clothes
Hip, hip hurray for the army.
Another example:

chester have u heard about harry
chest* got back from the army
i hear he knows how to touch his toes
hip hip hooray for the army

*Vernacular pronunciation of the word “just”

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Example #4: Harry Chester Army Song



l61flynn Published on Jun 26, 2013
-snip-
Lyrics:

Howdy Chester have u heard about harry
He just got back from the army
i hear he knows how to wear his clothes
hip hip hooray for the army


A fun song to sing with your students.
Sung by Leslie Bertram at Core Academy 2013.

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Visit this page of my cocojams cultural website to find more examples of children's camp songs:
http://www.cocojams.com/content/childrens-camp-songs

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Sunday, 1 December 2013

"When Billy Boy Was One" & "Poor Pinocchio" Hand Clap Rhymes

Posted on 07:44 by mukhiya
Edited by Azizi Powell

This post provides text examples of and comments about the hand games "When Billy Boy Was One" & "Poor Pinocchio".

Unfortunately, I've not yet been able to find any videos of these hand clapping games. If you know of any videos of these rhymes, please share those links. Thanks in advance!

The content of this post is presented for folkloric and recreational, purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

CLARIFICATION
By providing information and examples of these rhymes on this blog that focuses on the music and dance of peoples of some Black African descent I am not saying or implying that these rhymes are only chanted by Black people. That is definitely not the case. Although the textual structure, the percussive rhythm, and accompanying hand clap & body patting movements of these rhymes strongly suggest that these rhymes are of African Ameerican origin, I can't proof that that population was the source of these rhymes.

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COMMENTS ABOUT "WHEN BILLY BOY WAS ONE" AND "POOR PINCCHOCHIO"
"When Billy Boy Was One" isn't the folk song "Billy Boy" ("Oh where have you been Billy Boy") and "Poor Pinocchio" isn't the nursery rhyme character "Pinocchio". However, it's highly probably that the characters' names in both of those playground rhymes were lifted from those widely known cultural sources.

"When Billy Boy Was One" (also known as "Billy Boy" and "Billy") and "Poor Pinocchio" are what I call a "life stages" playground rhyme. A "life stages" rhyme is one that chants a line about a person starting with age one and successively moving to an agreed upon age [usually ten]. The first line of those two line rhyming verses usually begins with the word "when" and indicates the person's age. The second line indicates an activity that is supposedly characteristic of that age:

When Billy Boy was one
He learned to suck his thumb

Or the second line ends with a word that rhymes with the age that was given in the first line:

When Billy Boy was seven
He went to heaven

Similarly, here are examples from "Poor Pinocchio":
1*. Poor Pinocchio he learned to suck his thumb, thumb
after thumb after thumb, after thumb after thumb.
Cross over

4*. Poor Pinocchio he learned to shut the door, door after
door, after door, after door. Cross over

[The numbers at the beginning of this example are chanted.]
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Another form of "life stage" rhyme is one which instead of ages mentions periods pf a person's life -from babyhood to death and sometime beyond. The rhymes "When I Was A Baby" ("When Susie Was A Baby", "When Pebbles Was A Baby" etc.)* are examples of those kinds of life stages children's rhymes. However, in addition to being "life stages" rhymes, "When I Was A Baby" etc. is also a cumulative rhyme, in that each line that is chanted includes a portion from each preceding line.

As is the case with the "When I Was A Baby" rhymes, mimiking actions are performed while chanting the second line of a"When Billy Boy Was One" and "Poor Pinocchio". For instance, while chanting "He learned to suck his thumb", the chanters mimic sucking their thumb. However, I'm not certain if any mimicking action is done for the "went to heaven" line that is usually chanted for the number "seven" verse, unless it is flapping your arms in imitation of angel's wings.

The term "cross down", "cross over" or "crosstown"** is found in each of these rhymes. That word not only serves to separate the successive age verses, but also describes an action or series of actions that is/are always done when that word is said. Read my comments in the "Performance Activity" section about those motions.

*Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/11/when-pebbles-was-baby-part-ii.html for Part II of "When Pebbles Was A Baby" to find text examples and videos of those rhymes.

**Crosstown" is probably a folk etymology form of "cross down".


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Performance Activities:
"When Billy Boy Was One" and "Poor Pinocchio" appear to usually be recited as two partner hand clap game with accompanying mimicking motions.

Each of these rhymes includes the word "cross down" or some variant form of that word. Saying "cross down" is a signal to begin a crossing movement that may also be combined with a body patting motion. Here's one description of the "cross down" performance action:
"Cross down - start by crossing both hands over your chest, with your finger tips touching your shoulders, then uncross them and smack your thigh's. Your left hand will smack your left thigh and right hand, right thigh."

I imagine that other "crossing" actions such as doing a criss cross jumping (crossing your feet when you jump) could be done instead of the actions given below.

Performance directions are found in some of the examples below.

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The Tune Used For These Rhymes
Unfortunately, I'm not able to describe the tunes that are used for these rhymes. I have only heard one of those rhymes on one occassion [Example #2 of "Poor Pinocchio"]. The tune for that rhyme was similar if not the same as those found in the videos for "When Pebbles Was A Baby". That tune was also similar to the one that is appears to be commonly used for "Miss Susie Had A Steamboat".

It's reasonable to believe that the tune for these all of these playground rhymes would be the same or similar, as it's my theory that they all came from the same source- the same sources as "Miss Susie Had A Steamboat".

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EXAMPLES OF "WHEN BILLY BOY WAS ONE"
(These examples are given in chronological order based on the date in which the example was posted online, with the oldest dated example given first.)

Example #1: WHEN BILLY BOY WAS ONE
I'm an elementary teacher from Minnesota. I'd like to add a hand clapping, patting game I learned from some first grade girls back in the 1970's. They called it "Billy Boy." As they chanted the lyrics they clapped their own hands, then the opposite hand of their partner, then their own opposite shoulders, and finally their knees.

When Billy Boy was one (sung as two syllables) he learned to suck his thu-umb, (two syllables again.)
Thumb-dee-ah-dah, thumb-dee-ah-dah,
Half past one, cross down,

When Billy boy was two-o, he learned to tie his shoe-oo,
Two-dee-ah-dah, two-dee-ah dah,
Half past two cross down." etc.

three: climb a tree,
four: shut the door,
five: jump and dive,
six: pick up sticks,
seven: got to heaven,
eight: clean his plate,
nine: sing this rhyme,
ten: he learned to say, 'THE END!'"
-Skeezyks, http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4300 Children's Street Songs, January 31, 2005

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Example #2:WHEN BILLY BOY WAS ONE (Example #2)
Two people sit facing each other. I'll do my best to describe the handclap motions...

Cross down - start by crossing both hands over your chest, with your finger tips touching your shoulders, then uncross them and smack your thigh's. Your left hand will smack your left thigh and right hand, right thigh.

The next step is to clap. When you clap, you begin singing the song.
(For example: (cross down) (Clap), When Billy Boy was one..... (now begin claping with your partner - your right hand claps with their right hand - then you clap your hands together, next your left hand claps with your partner's left hand, then you clap your hands together.

Repeat until the verse is over.

When you start the next verse, begin again with cross down, slap your thighs, When Billy Boy was two...etc.

Verses: When Billy Boy was one, he learned to suck his thumb. Thumb Billy, Thumb Billy, half past one.

When Billy Boy was two, he learned to tie his shoe. Shoe Billy, Shoe Billy, half past two.

When Billy Boy was three, he learned to climb a tree. Tree Billy, Tree Billy, half past three.

When Billy Boy was four, he learned to close the door. Door Billy, Door Billy, half past four.

When Billy Boy was five, he learned to swim and dive. Dive Billy, Dive Billy, half past five.

When Billy Boy was six, he learned to pick up sticks. Sticks Billy, Sticks Billy, half past six.

When Billy Boy was seven, he learned to pray to heaven. Heaven Billy, Heaven Billy, half past seven.

When Billy Boy was eight, he learned to roller skate. Skate Billy, Skate Billy, half past eight.

When Billy Boy was nine, he learned to tell the time. Time Billy, Time Billy, half past nine.

When Billy Boy was ten, he learned to catch the hens. Hens Billy, Hens Billy, half past ten. Cross down, then end!
-Jackie; http://cocojams.com/content/handclap-jump-rope-and-elastics-rhymes, 28/28/2007

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Example #3: WHEN BILLY BOY WAS ONE
then there was about billy boy
cross down when billy boy was 1
he learned to suck his thumb
thumb after thumb after half past one

2 was tie his shoe
3 was climb a tree
4 was shut the door
5 was swim and dive
6 was pick up sticks
7 was pray to Heaven
8 was shut the gate
9 was pay the fine
10 was say the end

and at the end it was
... end after end after half past ten
cross down the end.
-Guest, Julie, http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4300 Children's Street Songs, December 5, 2007

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EXAMPLES OF "POOR PINOCCHIO"
(These examples are given in chronological order based on the date in which the example was posted online, with the oldest dated example given first.)

Example #1: POOR PINOCCHIO
1. Poor Pinocchio he learned to suck his thumb, thumb
after thumb after thumb, after thumb after thumb.
Cross over *
2. Poor Pinocchio he learned to tie his shoe, shoe after
shoe, after shoe, after shoe . Cross over *
3. Poor Pinocchio he learned to climb a tree, tree after tree,
after tree, after tree. Cross over *
4. Poor Pinocchio he learned to shut the door, door after
door, after door, after door. Cross over *
5. Poor Pinocchio he liked to kick bee hives, hives after
hives, after hives, after hives. Cross over *
6. Poor Pinocchio he learned to pick up sticks, sticks after
sticks, after sticks ,after sticks. Cross over *
7. Poor Pinocchio he learned all about heaven, heaven after
heaven, after heaven, after heaven. Cross over *
8. Poor Pinocchio he learned to shut the gate, gate after
gate, after gate after gate. Cross over *

[and so on up to 11-use any word that rhymes with those numbers]
* When you say "cross over" you fold your arms crisscross over your chest, and the other girl you are doing the handclap with does the same thing at the same time.
-Natashia, (White female, age 13; Hinton, Alberta, Canada; October 21, 2005
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[The numbers at the beginning of this example are chanted.]

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Example #2: POOR PINOCCHIO
I vaguely remember a clapping song that went something like

Poor Pinocchio one
He used to suck his thumb
But poor P-I-N-O-C-C-H-I-O
cross down and

Poor Pinocchio two
He (something something) shoe (learned to tie?)
But poor P-I-N-O-C-C-H-I-O

that's all I remember...does this ring a bell to anyone else?
-Enjal, http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=95;t=000442;p=1 "Topic: Skipping and clapping rhymes", 20 February 2003

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Saturday, 16 November 2013

"Coming Down With A Bunch Of Roses" (lyrics, sound file, & comments)

Posted on 17:31 by mukhiya
Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II a two part series on the Caribbean chantey and children's game "Coming Down With A Bunch Of Roses".

This post focuses on the Caribbean game song "Coming Down With A Bunch Of Roses".

Part I of this series focuses on folkloric research provided online by hultonclint [Guest, Gibb on Mudcat Cafe]. That research debunks the belief that "Go Down, You Blood Red Roses" [BRR] is an actual 19th century chantey. Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/11/debunking-myth-that-go-down-you-blood.html for that post.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

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LYRICS & COMMENTS: COMING DUNG [DOWN] WITH A BUNCH OF ROSES"

Subject: RE: Origins: Blood Red Roses (what's it mean?)
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=34080 "Blood Red Roses"
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 04:52 AM
"I recently found a book in the library with some more evidence about this song.

1965 [copyright 1962] Elder, Jacob D. _Song Games from Trinidad and Tobago._ The American Folklore Society.

Incidentally, the author seems to have been with Alan Lomax in 1962 when they recorded "Coming Down with a Bunch of Roses" at the San Juan Girls Government School. However, it is implied that his experience with the song goes beyond that one occasion. They example he gives is actually from Tobago in 1928, although it's not clear to me if he collected it all the way back then.

Pg63-64 -- includes score. Lyrics:

1. Lift up you' clotheses,
Comin' dung;
Right up to you' noses,
Comin' dung.

CHO:
Comin' dung with you' bunch o'roses,
Comin' dung;
Comin' dung with you' bunch o'roses,
Comin' dung.

2. Gal show me you' motion,
Gal show me you' motion,

3. Bring in you' lover,
Bring in you' lover,

Notes say that the game is played with 12-24 boys and girls in two files, facing one another. The last pair forms arch with arms, others dance under/through.

"This song was collected from Harrington Benjamin (10) and others at Charlotteville, Tobago in 1928. It is a popular game among children in Tobago although adults usually play it at wakes. This game-song is analagous [sic] to the shanty "Blood Red Roses" as well as to "Bonny Bunch o' Roses." The game which it accompanies is a courtship-game in which the player with the dramatic role—usually female—makes a display of her finery, good looks and dancing styles, and then chooses a lover with whom she dances."

There are a few other notes about this songs scattered in the book.

Pg13 "Brown girl in da ring," "Coming down with you' buncha roses," and "Mizay Marie," played as a rule by adults at a dead-wake from which children are barred, can also be heard among children playing on the neighbourhood compounds on moonlight nights."

Pg 14-15
"Many games, like "Brown gal in da ring" and "Comin' dung with you' buncha roses," have connotations for adults which are far beyond the understanding of the children who learn them from their parents…In "Comin' dung with you' buncha roses," the players must choose partners and arrange themselves in couples to start the game."

Pg50, as references for the song, Elder cites Doerflinger, Adams, Harlow, Hugill. Also says, "Related to the Scottish game "Bonny bunch o' roses"," citing MacLagan.

A couple other game-songs in the collection have "roses" lyrics:

Pg 77, "In my right hand / I have a rose"..."Come in, come in / My charmin' rose." This game actually involves a girl who holds a roses and is admitted into a circle.

Pg105 – "See Miss Lilian So Fresh'n Gay" has lyrics, "See Miss Lilian so fresh 'n gay / With a bunch of roses in her hair". Also involves a girl holding flowers.

Unless one thinks the chanty turned into a game-song, after which it was reinterpreted, these examples suggest pretty strongly that it was a decorated female that was being addressed to "come down" (e.g. down the line).

Possibly cf. "Ring a Ring o' Roses." "

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LYRICS & COMMENTS ABOUT "COMING DOWN WITH A BUNCH OF ROSES" (1962)
Source: Alan Lomax, J.D. Elder, and Bess Lomax Hawes, editors Brown Girl In The Ring: An Anthology Of Song Games From The Eastern Caribbean (New York: Pantheon Press, 1997, pp. 16-17

"Sung by a children’s group at the San Juan Girl’s Government School, San Juan, Trinidad, also by agroup of girls at El Socorro Government School, Port of Spain, Trinidad

Group: Annie, Annie
Coming down with a bunch of roses,
Coming down

Solo: You walk in style
Group: Coming down with a bunch of roses,
Coming down
Solo: You show me your dress, etc.*
You show me your hat (watch, hair, shoes, slip, friend) etc.
You dance the rhumba (limbo), etc.

To Play:
Several ways of dancing “Coming Down With A Bunch Of Roses” have been reported in Trinidad and Tobago. In one, a single player dances down between parallel lines of singing and clapping players, matching actions to the lead singer’s directions, and then takes a new place at the eend of the line. His opposite from the head of the lineee then follows and thee gamee continues till all have soloed.

Alternatively, the end couple make an arch by clasping hands across the lines; the lead couple dances down and under the arch, stops, and makes a new arch, allowing the original couple to drop hand. The new head couple turns away from the arch, separates, and leads the files around and back down to the arch and back up to a position for a repetition with the new head and the new end couple...

ABOUT THIS SONG
...Caribbean children dance “Coming Down With A Bunch Of Roses” in parallel lines of partners facing each other, a popular British country dance formation described by Iona and Peter Opie in The Singing Game as “longways for as many as will”. A widespread African-American children’s game in the United States, variously titled “Willowbee”, “Zudio-O”, “This- A-Way, Valerie” etc, is still another member of this venerable game family, along with such country dances as the “Virginia Reel” and “Sir Roger de Coverley”."

*I gather that “Etc” means to sing the group part. I also believe that words in parenthesis are possibilities for other verses. I also assume that the name "Annie" is replaced by the name or nickname of the actual girl who is "coming down with a bunch of roses".
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My Comment:
In the beginning portion of the “About This Song” section, information is provided about sea chanteys and the authors write that “It is thus quite possible that the children’s song game “Coming Down With A Bunch of Roses” is a children’s remembrance of the rare and beautiful British work chantey
“Go down, you blood red roses, go down,
Oh, you pink and posies
Go down, you blood red roses, go down."
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However, I believe that the research put forth by hultonclint in the Mudcat thread [under the name Guest Gibb] and in his summary statement to that video very effectively debunk the theory that there was ever any British work chantey entitled “Go down, you blood red roses” except that which was composed in 1956 by the American Bert Lloyd, who might have been of British ancestry.

Instead of that theory put forth by Alan Lomax et al, I believe that the "Come Down With A Bunch Of Roses” singing games that Lomax & Elder collected in 1962 have their sources in the Caribbean chanties and songs that are mentioned in this post.

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ADDITIONS: November 18, 2013
Example #1: I WENT DOWN PRINCESS VILLAGE [Carricao]
Source: http://www.bigdrumnation.org/poetry/games.htm "GAMES GAMES GAMES" by Nick Cox

Ring Game

In my young days, first half of the sixties, I recall that we were the fortunate one in the neighborhood to have a radio. The Beatles, Peter, Paul and Mary and the like are what I recall hearing. As school days began in the latter half of the sixties, cultural (local) music began to be a part of my life. The ring games, both those approved by the teachers and those scorned were of great interest. They were mainly mating games. I think they played an integral part in moulding the minds of the future adults.

Official class ring game: On person is picked as "It" and stands in the middle of the ring. The ring is formed by all classmates holding hands. Alternate bous [sic]and girls...

AH WENT DOWN PRINCESS VILLAGE* [Carriacou] (Grenada)
(This one is the origin of wind and go down)**

Ah went dow Princess Village
A meet ah lady stooping.
Ah ask ahr ah simple question,
She gimme ah forward answer.
Go down my lady. Go down
Go down like a bunch ah roses.
Come up my lady. Come up.
Come up like ah bunch ah roses.
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*This is the second of what appears to me to be three separate rhymes under the title "Miss Mary". The first one of these rhymes begins with the lines "Miss Mary Plant, plant, plant/Ah basket ah yam, yam, yam". That singing game verse reminds me of the textual structure of the African American rhyme "Miss Mary Mack". The third rhyme under the title "Miss Mary" begins with the phrase "Ini mini moe" and then repeats the line "Diamond ah shiver and ah front she so".

**"Wind and go down" is a dance movement or dance movements.
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Explanation of words & lines
In the line "Ah went dow[n] [to] Princess Village"
"Princess Village" is probably a location in Carriacou.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carriacou_and_Petite_Martinique
"Carriacou and Petite Martinique is a dependency of Grenada, lying north of Grenada island and south of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines in the Lesser Antilles."

Here's my sense of what these these lines mean in American English:

I went down to Princess Village [a community]
And met a lady sitting.
I ask[ed] her a* simple question,
She answered with a smart remark [she responded sarcastically].
Go down my lady. Go down
Go down like a bunch of roses.
Come up my lady. Come up.
Come up like a bunch of roses.
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Among African Americans "a" is usually informally pronounced "ah".
-snip-
This example is probably newer than the other examples of "Coming Up With A Bunch Of Roses" that are found in this post. I think that the "go down" and "come up" phrases refer to physical movements and probably were accompanied by those movements. My guess is that the beginning lines serve as a preface for those "go down"/"come up" lines and that children's movements mimicked those actions.

I also think that the entire rhyme was created in an attempt to make sense out of the "coming down with a bunch of roses" words.

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Example #2: COMING DOWN WID LEMONADE - Trinidad (1978)
Source: West Indian Songs And Games for Children
Folkway Record FC 7856
editor: Edna Smith Edet

Coming down wid a Lemonade
coming down. Oh lemonade.
Coming down wid a Lemonade
coming down.
That girl can’t do she ole thing
Chi chi chi chi chi chi chi chi chi chi

The girls stand in a circle. One girl stands in the middle of the circle. On “That girl can’t do”, she choose her partner. If the partner cannot imitate her motions, the other girl goes into the middle. This is also danced in a line and seems to be a variant of “Coming down wid a Bunch of Roses”.

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FEATURED VIDEO
Gypsy in the Moonlight, sung by the San Juan Girls' Government School Children, 1962


rootbeerfloatful, Published on Jun 23, 2013
and Coming Down with a Bunch of Roses

Recorded by Alan Lomax, 1962
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“Coming Down With A Bunch Of Roses” begins at 1:14 in this sound file.

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SPECULATION ABOUT THE MEANING/S OF "BUNCH OF ROSES"
hultonclint, whose research was summarized in Part I of this series, speculates that the phrase "bunch of roses" in the chantey "Coming Down With A Bunch Of Roses" may have been a term of endearment. It seems quite pausible to me that pretty females or a sweetheart could have been referred to as a "bunch of roses". However, in the "Coming Down With A Bunch Of Roses" children's singing game, I believe that phrase may also have referred to girls walking down the row between parallel lines ["coming down" the row -or as African Americans refer to it-walking down alley]* carrying a bunch of roses.

*The Soul Train line is a popular example of the "walking down the alley" format.

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Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post, with special thanks to hultonclint [Guest, Gibb] for his research on this subject, and his publication of videos of & information about that chantey and other chanties on YouTube & on Mudcat. Thanks also to Alan Lomax, J. D. Elder, and Bess Lomax Hawes for collecting and commenting about this singing game.

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